Which is the only organ mentioned in old testament

It also sounds as though Lucifer was created as an organic organ. A living musical instrument. The tabrets and pipes were IN him.

That's right, man has only one windpipe, Lucifer had multiple "pipes" created in him, as well as multiple tabrets (small drums/timbrels).

He could well have been the song leader/maker for the "sons of God" choir before man was put on this earth. See Job 1:6; 38:7.

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03-15-2009, 09:54 PM Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Puerto Princesa City, Palawan Philippines Posts: 1,431

from the loins of Cain comes the first to make musical instruments. Gen 4:21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.

04-04-2009, 01:48 AM Join Date: Mar 2008 Originally Posted by peopleoftheway

We only have to look around us at the music industry and its "Rock and Pop stars" to see how much of an influence satan has on music and its corruption, it is most certainly one of the devils strongest tools to corrupt the Word of God and influence the lost away from Godliness and to place strongholds on them via music.

Music is the universal language of emotion. A piece of music that stirs up the emotion of suspense or fear in an English speaker will have the same effect on non-English speakers. That is why, when a movie is dubbed into several different languages, the movie's musical score does not need to be changed to be just as effective.

Of course, the music business is big $$$ and the prices the lawyers charge for use rights are obscene. You are absolutely right; the world system uses music to corrupt and gain riches. Too bad, since music is really a good thing and was originally created for the worship and praise of God.

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Remember it is men who attribute the design of Lucifer to music. There is absolutely no Biblical grounds that Lucifer was a heavenly worship leader. the reason the purpose was not mentioned in scriptures is because at no time during this current 24/7TQ did Lucifer lead worship in heaven. We know that the morning stars sang together of which Lucifer would have been one of them and we know he made noise of viols in Isaiah.

the description in Ezekiel is given to show how beautiful and perfect he was until Iniquity was found in him not to describe his past position as a music player. Some of you would judge me for my claims from silence of scriptures then you do the same with these scriptures.

If Lucifer ever did lead worship in heaven is was before the current 24/7TQ not afterwards.

04-04-2009, 05:33 AM Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Aotearoa Originally Posted by chette777 Remember it is men who attribute the design of Lucifer to music.

No, I think Ezekiel 28:13 is fairly clear that God created him with organs (plural) within him capable of making music:

Ezekiel 28:13b . the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Tabrets and pipes are associated with other instruments in scripture, and with song:

Isaiah 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands.

Genesis 31:27 Wherefore didst thou flee away secretly, and steal away from me; and didst not tell me, that I might have sent thee away with mirth, and with songs, with tabret, and with harp?

Originally Posted by chette777 There is absolutely no Biblical grounds that Lucifer was a heavenly worship leader.

The Biblical grounds have already been posted. If Satan, who is called the "son of the morning" in Isaiah 14:12, was among the "morning" stars singing and sons of God shouting for joy in Job 38:7, then why wouldn't he be leading them, considering his musical abilities and authoritative position revealed throughout the scriptures.

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. the reason the purpose was not mentioned in scriptures is because at no time during this current 24/7TQ did Lucifer lead worship in heaven.

Huh? How does that relate to the OP?
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You are something else Chette, you told me to "take a hike" because I disagreed with your Gap Theory (and still do) in your " The Non-Evolutionary Gap Theory" thread, but you try to introduce it in many threads.

These very verses in Ezekiel contradict your theory if you will notice:

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.


What is the first thing God tells us here? He tells us that Satan or Lucifer "hast been" (past tense) in Eden, the garden of God.

Now, according to your theory, Satan fell between Gen 1:1 and 1:2. But we know the Garden of Eden was not created until at least the third day when God made the dry land appear, and then caused the earth to bring forth grass, herb yielding seed, and trees yielding fruit.

I think even you would agree that a garden should contain plants.

Then God tells us that Satan or Lucifer was perfect in his ways from the day he was created UNTIL iniquity was found in him.

This contradicts your Gap Theory completely. However, for those of us who believe Satan fell sometime after the 6 day creation (plus the 7th day God rested), there is no contradiction whatsoever. I believe Satan could have been in the Garden of Eden for as long as 100 years before he deceived Eve. That is just a rough estimate based on the births of Cain and Abel, Cain murdering Abel when they were adults (they both had livlihoods) and then Seth being conceived and born after Abel's death when Adam (and Eve) were 130 years old (Gen 5:3)

So, approximately 100 years were available, but Satan could have rebelled anytime after Day 7 until Cain was conceived (after Adam and Eve's fall).

But, back to the subject, I have read these verses before and was amazed to read Satan was covered with these stones, the fact he was also covered with musical instruments escaped me. He must be an extraodinary looking creature.

Five of the stones mentioned are also mentioned in the gates of the New Jerusalem in Rev. 21. Little side-track here, but here is a site that shows the 12 stones mentioned in Rev. 21.

I agree with the others, while we cannot know for sure he led the heavenly choir, there is certainly the great possibility that he did, seeing he was "prepared" with these instruments, and his position as one of the highest angels (Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth).

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